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		<title>By: billiejean254</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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Here's something to think about: according to the census bureau, of the 47 million or so that are uninsured almost 10 million are illegal immigrants, 8 million make over 75,000 a year, another 8 million make over 50,000 a year, and 14 million qualify for medic-aid or medicare but do not apply.  Hmmm. makes you think that maybe our system isn't so bad after all.  So Obama needs to quit with his fear mongering and quit lying to us.  There are a lot of unemployed, but 47 million is very misleading.  Give us a real number! 

Also the idea is that by giving health care to everyone, businesses don't have to pay for it, and then they can give more jobs, increase profit, and help the economy.  Which sounds great, if you're stupid.  Since Universal health care is insanely expensive, guess who pays for it? raised taxes on business and on the rich, (and apparently companies that aren't green).  So it's basically a beat-around the the bush way to distribute wealth.  And ask yourself this? Is it a good idea to take from from the rich? Take money from a poor man, and he becomes poorer, take money from a rich man, and he goes to work and fires his workers.  So which is worse? MAYBE GOVERNMENT JUST SHOULDN'T TAKE PEOPLES MONEY!</description>
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<p>Here&#8217;s something to think about: according to the census bureau, of the 47 million or so that are uninsured almost 10 million are illegal immigrants, 8 million make over 75,000 a year, another 8 million make over 50,000 a year, and 14 million qualify for medic-aid or medicare but do not apply.  Hmmm. makes you think that maybe our system isn&#8217;t so bad after all.  So Obama needs to quit with his fear mongering and quit lying to us.  There are a lot of unemployed, but 47 million is very misleading.  Give us a real number! </p>
<p>Also the idea is that by giving health care to everyone, businesses don&#8217;t have to pay for it, and then they can give more jobs, increase profit, and help the economy.  Which sounds great, if you&#8217;re stupid.  Since Universal health care is insanely expensive, guess who pays for it? raised taxes on business and on the rich, (and apparently companies that aren&#8217;t green).  So it&#8217;s basically a beat-around the the bush way to distribute wealth.  And ask yourself this? Is it a good idea to take from from the rich? Take money from a poor man, and he becomes poorer, take money from a rich man, and he goes to work and fires his workers.  So which is worse? MAYBE GOVERNMENT JUST SHOULDN&#8217;T TAKE PEOPLES MONEY!</p>
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		<title>By: wider scope</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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No, but after we've lost everything we have, we can check ourselves into the hospital and live rent free.

Right?</description>
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<p>No, but after we&#8217;ve lost everything we have, we can check ourselves into the hospital and live rent free.</p>
<p>Right?</p>
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		<title>By: NIkki's Tea Party</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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Doctors will be able to buy those 2nd  third houses  rent them out at exorbitant rates to poor slobs who cant pay their mortgages  pay their ridiculous malpractice insurance rates.</description>
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<p>Doctors will be able to buy those 2nd  third houses  rent them out at exorbitant rates to poor slobs who cant pay their mortgages  pay their ridiculous malpractice insurance rates.</p>
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		<title>By: GunnyC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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It is all the money everyone saves from free medical care.  People have yet to figure out free does not exist but they love it.  If all the money needed for this could be gotten from all the savings people and businesses got from it then it would not be a problem but the fact is it will cost more then it saves.  Some companies offer higher wages in lieu of benefits so no savings to the company and other companies offer a rebate to employees who do not need or want medical benefits and the rest offer medical plans that is figured in to the lower compensation.  The first thing that will happen is the companies including benefits as part of the package will have to do is increase pay because that is no longer part of the package or they will lose employees to the companies now getting it from the government plan so the savings is reduced.  If you are going to charge the companies for it then the companies paying the higher wages without benefits either lower wages or increase cost.  People will pay either way just a matter of directly through income taxes or fees or indirectly by paying increased prices for products because the companies are paying fees or higher taxes.  President Obama keeps promising things without any cost to people but that is not real world.  If you get cost savings through more efficiency in the government program and that goes to paying for the system rather then lower cost then people save nothing but lowering the cost will mean the money has to come from some where whether fees, taxes or decrease in services.  Americans spend a huge amount on medical but part of that would be unnecessary or not allowed as it is cosmetic or not required; people would still want those things so would pay for them any way.  The thing about getting this and saving all this money or costing nothing is not logical when you think about it but all many are seeing is something for nothing.</description>
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<p>It is all the money everyone saves from free medical care.  People have yet to figure out free does not exist but they love it.  If all the money needed for this could be gotten from all the savings people and businesses got from it then it would not be a problem but the fact is it will cost more then it saves.  Some companies offer higher wages in lieu of benefits so no savings to the company and other companies offer a rebate to employees who do not need or want medical benefits and the rest offer medical plans that is figured in to the lower compensation.  The first thing that will happen is the companies including benefits as part of the package will have to do is increase pay because that is no longer part of the package or they will lose employees to the companies now getting it from the government plan so the savings is reduced.  If you are going to charge the companies for it then the companies paying the higher wages without benefits either lower wages or increase cost.  People will pay either way just a matter of directly through income taxes or fees or indirectly by paying increased prices for products because the companies are paying fees or higher taxes.  President Obama keeps promising things without any cost to people but that is not real world.  If you get cost savings through more efficiency in the government program and that goes to paying for the system rather then lower cost then people save nothing but lowering the cost will mean the money has to come from some where whether fees, taxes or decrease in services.  Americans spend a huge amount on medical but part of that would be unnecessary or not allowed as it is cosmetic or not required; people would still want those things so would pay for them any way.  The thing about getting this and saving all this money or costing nothing is not logical when you think about it but all many are seeing is something for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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It won't.  Obama just says whatever he thinks you want to hear, while he does whatever he wants to do to bring this country closer to being a socialist dictatorship</description>
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<p>It won&#8217;t.  Obama just says whatever he thinks you want to hear, while he does whatever he wants to do to bring this country closer to being a socialist dictatorship</p>
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		<title>By: TomT</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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I would bet my car on the fact that most people who do not have health insurance also do not have a mortgage yet Obama says that every thirty seconds in America someone files bankruptcy because they don't have health care.  They're losing their homes to foreclosure because they can't afford health care.  He says.  If anything, a universal health care program will result in far more foreclosures because someone has to pay for it and guess who that someone is - us.  Obama also has said that medicaid is in shambles and is a drain on taxpayers - doesn't the government run medicaid?  ...and now they want to run a universal health care program?   Surely there are more than a few democrats who are beginning to wonder if their boy wonder really can't work wonders after all.</description>
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<p>I would bet my car on the fact that most people who do not have health insurance also do not have a mortgage yet Obama says that every thirty seconds in America someone files bankruptcy because they don&#8217;t have health care.  They&#8217;re losing their homes to foreclosure because they can&#8217;t afford health care.  He says.  If anything, a universal health care program will result in far more foreclosures because someone has to pay for it and guess who that someone is - us.  Obama also has said that medicaid is in shambles and is a drain on taxpayers - doesn&#8217;t the government run medicaid?  &#8230;and now they want to run a universal health care program?   Surely there are more than a few democrats who are beginning to wonder if their boy wonder really can&#8217;t work wonders after all.</p>
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		<title>By: bretsmith7876</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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It won't. It's redistributive Socialism, and Nationalized Socialism at that.=Nazi politics</description>
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<p>It won&#8217;t. It&#8217;s redistributive Socialism, and Nationalized Socialism at that.=Nazi politics</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Z</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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Felonius is another socialistic idiot!  How on earth can you increase healthcare, without adding cost?  Medicare is already in such a financial mess, adding more people to it, without adding more taxes isn't possible.</description>
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<p>Felonius is another socialistic idiot!  How on earth can you increase healthcare, without adding cost?  Medicare is already in such a financial mess, adding more people to it, without adding more taxes isn&#8217;t possible.</p>
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		<title>By: oimwoomwio</title>
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Universal health care would free employers from paying for their employees' insurance, and make made in America competitive again.

It has been estimated that the costs of benefits raise the price of every American car by several thousand dollars over a comparable Euro or Japanese car.

More business = more jobs = greater economic vitality and security =  fewer foreclosures

Universal coverage = lower medical costs = less risk of catastrophic illness or injury resulting in bankruptcy = fewer foreclosures = greater economic stability.


I don't think employers taxes are going to be the basis of a universal coverage plan.  The real savings lies in using the government's vast purchasing power to get a better deal from medical providers (even better than the discounts currently negotiated by insurance companies), and by eliminating multiple redundant bureaucracies of hundreds of different insurers.  The last aspect is that the traditional insurers allegiance to shareholders over policyholders would go away, and lower costs still further.

That's all I got.</description>
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<p>Universal health care would free employers from paying for their employees&#8217; insurance, and make made in America competitive again.</p>
<p>It has been estimated that the costs of benefits raise the price of every American car by several thousand dollars over a comparable Euro or Japanese car.</p>
<p>More business = more jobs = greater economic vitality and security =  fewer foreclosures</p>
<p>Universal coverage = lower medical costs = less risk of catastrophic illness or injury resulting in bankruptcy = fewer foreclosures = greater economic stability.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think employers taxes are going to be the basis of a universal coverage plan.  The real savings lies in using the government&#8217;s vast purchasing power to get a better deal from medical providers (even better than the discounts currently negotiated by insurance companies), and by eliminating multiple redundant bureaucracies of hundreds of different insurers.  The last aspect is that the traditional insurers allegiance to shareholders over policyholders would go away, and lower costs still further.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I got.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris S</title>
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It won't stop foreclosures OR stimulate the economy. It WILL, however, give the fed's even more power over our lives. THAT is the real goal of UHC.</description>
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<p>It won&#8217;t stop foreclosures OR stimulate the economy. It WILL, however, give the fed&#8217;s even more power over our lives. THAT is the real goal of UHC.</p>
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