What info would convince universal health care opponents that it might be a good idea?
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What information would make you rethink your opposition to universal health care? Is there anything that would make your dogma loosen?
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What information would make you rethink your opposition to universal health care? Is there anything that would make your dogma loosen?
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April 16th, 2010 at 12:50 am
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If they could only see the how much the uninsured are costing tax payers now they would understand how much better President Obamas plan is.
April 17th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
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Getting fired and then getting sick. That oughta do it.
April 21st, 2010 at 4:08 am
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nope, it just plain don’t work…simple as that..
April 21st, 2010 at 11:36 pm
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No. Increasing unemployment, taxes, and losing perfectly good doctors to Europe seem like a bad thing.
April 23rd, 2010 at 12:18 am
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No, there is nothing that will ever convince me that it is a good idea.
April 25th, 2010 at 7:36 am
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Information won’t do it. People don’t see truth through information and logical reasoning. You can make them accept your truth, if you can create a convincing story or parable.
April 27th, 2010 at 7:59 am
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No, it just won’t work until people take personal responsibility as well. Consider this:
If we all took personal responsibility along with implementing other steps, we wouldn’t have a healthcare crisis. Such as:
1. Common chronic conditions account for 75% of our healthcare spending. These are coronary artery disease, diabetes, asthma, depression, and congestive heart failure. If 1% of these people changed their lifestyles and took control of their health, we would save $77 BILLION.
2. Reduce medical mistakes. Healthcare reform plans that work like airlines do after a crash would save us $17 BILLION a year.
3. $312 Billion is wasted on misdiagnoses. Programs such as Best Doctors would save us tens of billions of dollars.
4. Electronic prescriptions would save $4 BILLION a year. No mistakes, no forgeries, instant checks on interactions and against the patient’s history.
5. Use retail clinics for minor illnesses and injuries. Some of these are in drugstores, some in stand alone buildings. Uninsured can save 30-80% off what a doctor’s visit would cost and it’s tons less than the ER. Visits to the ER for colds and flus cost us billions each year.
6. Get all agencies together to share info. For cancer that would be the drug companies, bio tech, and diagnostic companies. Share their results, get the treatments out to the patients faster and more inexpensive. This would reduce the number of failed drugs, the ones you see taken off the market shortly after releasing them. Again billions would be saved.
7. Stop unnecessary treatments. Ordering a CT scan of the sinuses for a cold is absurd. If just half of this was cut, it would be enough to insure every person without insurance.
8. Don’t hire smokers (like Obama!) or have programs for employees to quit. Smokers use up 42% of a companies healthcare costs.
9. Award prizes for affordable drugs. Scrap the patenting of drugs and instead award companies monetary prizes for breakthrough meds. The savings would be $480-600 BILLION.
10. Make all insurance companies offer to let employees choose the best plan for them like federal employees can. There’s no fee for service. Doctor visits, hospitals, surgery, are all bundled. The payoff would be $1.5 TRILLION over 10 years.
Everybody pays a hidden tax to pay for the uninsured. The average family pays about $700 a year in taxes and premiums. Implementing three of these ideas would save enough to insure every low-income uninsured child in the US.
The average American eats about 42 servings of broccoli, 54 apples, and 96 cups of ice cream a year. And we are concerned about healthcare? Why don’t we start with ourselves. People always **** to hear ideas that mean they should change their own behavior. Much easier to hold your hand out.
April 28th, 2010 at 10:17 am
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Yes, convince the country,it would be safe to juggle loaded guns.That would be a good warm up.
April 30th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
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Well, with 45 million people not paying into a system, and the current average monthly payment into a plan for a working person is roughly 70 bucks,……..what’s $70.00 times 45 million? And THEN you add into the equation all those who are NOW paying into the same system….WOW, DUDE!!! That’s a bunch of Bucks…So why would any Doc NOT see patients? They want a piece of THAT pie, Right?? That smashes the argument of Waiting forever for service Right?
May 1st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
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NONE as it is a pr-oven fact it doesn’t work. There is never enough money coming from the working people to pay for those who don’t work. Also UHC is considered KILL - Care as it will not allow those Seniors from 65 years of age and up to get necessary surgery’s and millions of Seniors will die an early life. UHC will only allow the money for surgery’s to go to the young.
It failed in Europe, failed in Canada, failed in Massachusetts and has failed in Hawaii and Hawaii only had it for children.
There is no proff that it has worked anywhere in the world.
May 2nd, 2010 at 2:47 am
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I would love to see each one of them have to experience not having health insurance or the money to pay for any type of medical care, while suffering from a medical condition that worsens without treatment. It would not need to be anything too horrible, maybe an abscessed tooth or chronic fungal infection.
May 4th, 2010 at 12:34 am
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I would be open to the concept of universal health care if I could be assured that the quality of medical care would be the same as I am receiving now. I want to be able to go to the doctors I choose to go to. I also want to be able to have regular check-ups and preventative care. I don’t want to have to give up one thing I have now.
May 4th, 2010 at 2:15 am
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How about seeing it actually work somewhere first?
Besides, we can’t have universal health care. If we did, where would Canadians go when they need a test or procedure and can’t afford the six month wait?
May 5th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
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The devil is in the details.
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how much MORE money is going to come out of my check on top of taxes?
Dental? optical? why stop at health?
whats the co-pay?
is everybody going to pay?, or are you going to burden ME to pay for YOU?
Show me proof that Canadians are no longer coming to America to receive medical treatments, which they are doing in record numbers.
worst economy since the great depression and we should spend more?
tell me how the government is going to be a NON_Bureaucratic provider of health ins. when they basically have screwed the American economy, tax-payers, screwed up Social Sec., medic aid, unfair free trade,
Show me that if we removed some antiquated and stupid laws how the free market couldn’t provide cheap ins.
Why should I (WE) pay for some one who is 2 years away from cancer or emphysema because they chose to destroy their body despite huge warnings and taxes placed on such products.
i could probably go on with a few more, but if you could answer those it would be a great start.
May 6th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
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Universal healthcare = socialized medicine
WILL NOT WORK! never has, never will
May 9th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
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The hiring of 500,000 new doctors and nurses to treat the 47,000,000 added to the health care rolls as it takes me a week now to see the doctor as everyone is short staffed.
Do we want to wait 6 months to see a doctor or a year for surgery like in Canada, which as 1/10 of our population?
May 11th, 2010 at 1:01 am
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How about credible evidence that it is working where it is being practiced? and that it is sustainable? We are not even able to do a good job with managing the Veterans Health Care system, Medicaid, Medicare, Medicare Part B, and Social Security. It makes much more sense to get this economy back on track by bringing good jobs back home with corporate tax breaks to companies that actually pay people a wage that doesn’t come straight out of 1978. Whatever route this country chooses to go on this issue will not work without a sound economy. A sound economy gives a government a broader tax base which lessens the individual tax payer burden but increases the government revenues. In addition to repatriating jobs we need to encourage new job creation. next we need to pay off our current debt and trim government expenses.
Understand, we can shift who pays for health care, which is all this debate is about, but it still must be paid for. I don’t much like the reckless way the government throws around the money I already give them, so yes, I object to giving them more.
This is a superb time for a new administration to go back to the basics of sound fiscal policy. Let us get away from arguing the merits of trickle down vs trickle up economics and recognize that in any economic cycle the things that ignited growth may well not be the things that sustain it.
To summarize, the only information that would convince me to even consider having a serious conversation about universal healthcare would be no to low national unemployment numbers, no to low inflation, a growing national GDP, and a government that is solvent.
Without these elements in place, the notion is unworkable.